When you’re incarcerated, falling in love with prison staff or volunteers is prohibited. But… it happens. And it happened to Erin and Lisa, who then had to negotiate the joys and pitfalls of romance inside San Quentin.

A heads-up: this episode contains discussion of domestic violence — listener discretion is advised.

Thanks to Allyson West for talking with us, and to Erin for talking twice.

This episode was scored with music by David Jassy, Antwan Williams, Lee Jaspar (aka Matthew Lee Jasper), E. Phil Phillips, Dwight Krizman and Gregg Sayers. Eternal thanks to Lt. Sam Robinson and Warden Ron Davis for their support of the show.

You can reach the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-SAFE.

You can find the transcript to “The Big No No” here, and you can download the episode here.

Thanks to Nectar and Bombas for supporting this episode.

P.S. Check out the San Quentin News, who work in the media lab with us. And have you ordered one of our Ear Hustle mugs yet?

Episode 24: The Big No No